Posted: 11 Apr 2007, 21:54
In your own words. "Defeated".Jeff";p="851585 wrote:Nicolae Carpathia";p="850936 wrote:
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Posted: 11 Apr 2007, 22:02
Posted: 11 Apr 2007, 23:18
My $0.02:
It's undeniable that RATM have increased social awareness of certain issues, regardless of whether you think they're "sell-outs" in a comercial sense. Some, including me, would argue that the independent platform isn't terribly conducive to broadcasting your message on the widest scale possible.
Isn't increasing social awareness the first step for ANY social issues campaigning?
They made lots of money. Meh to that. They sing about what they're interested in. Some of you guys are just plain bitter... and some of you just don't sell as many records as RATM.
Rah.
It's undeniable that RATM have increased social awareness of certain issues, regardless of whether you think they're "sell-outs" in a comercial sense. Some, including me, would argue that the independent platform isn't terribly conducive to broadcasting your message on the widest scale possible.
Isn't increasing social awareness the first step for ANY social issues campaigning?
They made lots of money. Meh to that. They sing about what they're interested in. Some of you guys are just plain bitter... and some of you just don't sell as many records as RATM.
Rah.
Posted: 12 Apr 2007, 01:15
WORD
Posted: 12 Apr 2007, 01:32
which issues?Space Mongoloids!!!";p="863625 wrote: It's undeniable that RATM have increased social awareness of certain issues, regardless of whether you think they're "sell-outs" in a comercial sense.
Posted: 12 Apr 2007, 02:19
Democratic reform, child care, aid for farmers, pro-choice agendas, Amnesty International and human rights in general, integrity in the press...
The social issues they choose to support / voice an opinion about are actually quite diverse...
The social issues they choose to support / voice an opinion about are actually quite diverse...
Posted: 12 Apr 2007, 04:15
...don't forget Zach's cool hairdo
Posted: 12 Apr 2007, 05:45
you're rightSpace Mongoloids!!!";p="863702 wrote:Democratic reform, child care, aid for farmers, pro-choice agendas, Amnesty International and human rights in general, integrity in the press...
The social issues they choose to support / voice an opinion about are actually quite diverse...
they really changed the usa
Posted: 12 Apr 2007, 06:00
I'd say for the most part, and this is entirely based on anecdotal evidence, sure the kids know what Amnesty International and War and Corporations are now...but does it go beyond the catch phrase?
Fuck. In high school every kid with an RATM patch on their bag thought they were a political activist, but didn't know shit other than "uh, its leik bad and stuff".
I will lose no sleep if they never play again.
Fuck. In high school every kid with an RATM patch on their bag thought they were a political activist, but didn't know shit other than "uh, its leik bad and stuff".
I will lose no sleep if they never play again.
Posted: 12 Apr 2007, 13:47
Space Mongoloids!!!";p="863702 wrote:Democratic reform, child care, aid for farmers, pro-choice agendas, Amnesty International and human rights in general, integrity in the press...
The social issues they choose to support / voice an opinion about are actually quite diverse...
Uhhh... what song was that? Was it the one where Zach says "fuck"?
Posted: 12 Apr 2007, 13:49
psychological methods to sellMobiesque";p="863731 wrote:I'd say for the most part, and this is entirely based on anecdotal evidence, sure the kids know what Amnesty International and War and Corporations are now...but does it go beyond the catch phrase?
Fuck. In high school every kid with an RATM patch on their bag thought they were a political activist, but didn't know shit other than "uh, its leik bad and stuff".
I will lose no sleep if they never play again.
should be destroyed
Posted: 12 Apr 2007, 16:42
This thread should just be a poll about who does and doesn't like RATM, because that's all I'm hearing.
Posted: 12 Apr 2007, 18:04
they've changed it more than you ever willor don't";p="863729 wrote:you're rightSpace Mongoloids!!!";p="863702 wrote:Democratic reform, child care, aid for farmers, pro-choice agendas, Amnesty International and human rights in general, integrity in the press...
The social issues they choose to support / voice an opinion about are actually quite diverse...
they really changed the usa
Posted: 12 Apr 2007, 19:18
I don't like RATM, but you are fucking retarded.Jeff";p="863858 wrote:Space Mongoloids!!!";p="863702 wrote:Democratic reform, child care, aid for farmers, pro-choice agendas, Amnesty International and human rights in general, integrity in the press...
The social issues they choose to support / voice an opinion about are actually quite diverse...
Uhhh... what song was that? Was it the one where Zach says "fuck"?
Posted: 12 Apr 2007, 20:27
Jeff";p="863858 wrote: Uhhh... what song was that? Was it the one where Zach says "fuck"?
I see that you two are still frequent users of the Straw Man Argument.or don't";p="863729 wrote:
you're right
they really changed the usa
As I actually said, they've increased awareness of these issues (and more) through their campaigning. Additionally, they've raised money for these causes through touring and other public appearances.
Does actual funding count as making some kind of difference, or are you guys gonna stick with the good ole "dig the heals in and argue logical fallacies" strategy?
Later.
Posted: 12 Apr 2007, 20:45
*golf clap*
excellent notion
excellent notion
Posted: 12 Apr 2007, 21:37
Well played, Roark.
Posted: 12 Apr 2007, 21:56
Marvellous shot, that.
Posted: 12 Apr 2007, 22:07
Thank you, my loyal flunkeys.
*victory lap*
*victory lap*
Posted: 12 Apr 2007, 22:08
I don't even like RATM. I just miss arguing with people, yknow... since Clayton got really stupid.
Posted: 12 Apr 2007, 22:32
I never was, and never will be stupid. You just fail to understand.Space Mongoloids!!!";p="863983 wrote:I don't even like RATM. I just miss arguing with people, yknow... since Clayton got really stupid.
Posted: 13 Apr 2007, 07:47
I actually agree with this jerk-off for once.GoatOvaries";p="863948 wrote:I don't like RATM, but you are fucking retarded.Jeff";p="863858 wrote: Uhhh... what song was that? Was it the one where Zach says "fuck"?
Posted: 13 Apr 2007, 08:06
That's super.
Posted: 13 Apr 2007, 09:08
You're a gay prick.HankMcCain";p="864087 wrote:That's super.
Posted: 18 Apr 2007, 01:28
As I've actually been saying, I'm actually quite convinced they have not raised any awareness. This is based on my interaction with Rage fans, as well as the fact that the public isn't aware of shit.Space Mongoloids!!!";p="863954 wrote:Jeff";p="863858 wrote: Uhhh... what song was that? Was it the one where Zach says "fuck"?I see that you two are still frequent users of the Straw Man Argument.or don't";p="863729 wrote:
you're right
they really changed the usa
As I actually said, they've increased awareness of these issues (and more) through their campaigning. Additionally, they've raised money for these causes through touring and other public appearances.
Does actual funding count as making some kind of difference, or are you guys gonna stick with the good ole "dig the heals in and argue logical fallacies" strategy?
;-)
Later.
I don't know what money they've raised for charities but I'll bet my left testicle it's a pretty miniscule piece of the pie compared to what they've raised for themselves and their corporate backing. The fact that they did this (apparently) doesn't make me respect them or take them any more seriously. They still suck and they're still full of shit regarding their supposed goals and ideals.